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Flame
04-14-2002 at 10:28 PM |
 Astral CheatingOkay so lets get the dirt out, hehe. |
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Darkstar
04-14-2002 at 11:16 PM |
 Re: Astral CheatingNo.. that would be like punishing someone for loving/pleasuring themselves.. If the being on the Astral Plane does not have links to a worldly body (i.e.: Bob and your wife met in a chat room last night and agreed to meet on the Astral Plane for a little nooky).. I'd have to say, no. |
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lonelyheart
04-14-2002 at 11:52 PM |
Re: Astral Cheating I think the real question here is: is there a difference between the astral plane and this reality? They are often both very real and hard to differentiate between. That can be problematic and good, depending on what you are trying to achieve. For these means, it may seem as real as a physical encounter, which in my mind would mean adultery/cheating. |
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simplespell
04-15-2002 at 08:28 AM |
Re: Astral Cheating Probably i won't consider it cheating,but that depend also on how far are they gone whit this practice..and "who" is this astral being.  |
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WolfStar
04-15-2002 at 10:09 AM |
Re: Astral Cheating Nah, that's like forbidding my partner to have sexual fantasies. The astral can seem very real, true, but as long as there is no 'real physical' person involved, I'd say everyone has a right to do what they want in their fantasies (and/or on the astral plane)   |
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Darkstar
04-15-2002 at 06:17 PM |
Re: Astral Cheating I agree with you fully Wolfstar! Putting restrictions on what a partner does in the Astral Body, is too much like punishing the person for having erotic dreams about someone other than their partner. Fantasy is a healthy part of sexuality, imho. |
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lonelyheart
04-16-2002 at 12:52 AM |
Re: Astral Cheating There is nothing wrong with sexual fantasies - just so long as it is reciprocal with my wife! Perhaps my reply is a spill over from my church going days (and still what my wife believes and frequently tells me), 'if you think it you are half way to doing it.' If you have to fantasize about someone other than your partner/spouse, isn't that suggesting other things in the relationship? Unless this fantasy is part of role-playing or where the partner is aware of the fantasizing! |
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simplespell
04-16-2002 at 01:13 PM |
Re: Re: Astral Cheatingquote: Sounds like a menace!...  ____________________________ |
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Rowan
04-16-2002 at 03:20 PM |
Re: Re: Astral Cheatingquote: What other things? Surely it just proves you are still sexualy alive, it can also open up a whole new way to do things, which of course could be then used in role play if wantd. Being married should never take our dreams away, without them we are only half the person. Most of the people I know who have had affairs have no imagination to fantasise because there partners restricted them from doing so. Once you set restrictions on the mind you enter a very shaky relationship. As for Astral sex, I see no problem with that at all, in fact sometimes it is an absolute must in some magickal workings. |
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Amber-K
04-16-2002 at 04:26 PM |
Re: Astral Cheating I didn't know it was possible to have sex with an astral being! |
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Darkstar
04-16-2002 at 07:42 PM |
 Re: Re: Astral Cheatingquote: Hmm.. perhaps this is a bit of held-over belief.. I cna't say for sure. Maybe some of us are a bit more liberally minded when it come to sexuality than you and your wife. If my partner told me 'if you think it you are half way to doing it.' I'd be freaked out and paranoid all the time! I can't help what I fantisize and dream about.. and as such, being able to talk openly about what one does in their fantasy lives can be very fullfilling within the context of a sexual relationship. Women, in general, need fantasy to engage sexually... we don't have the visual/physical triggers that males are blessed with.  You asked "If you have to fantasize about someone other than your partner/spouse, isn't that suggesting other things in the relationship?" And I'd have to say.. in some cases, yes, but in most cases, no! And I don't think it's a question of HAVING to.. more of a question of WANTING to. Now, I'm not talking about closing your eyes and imagining your making love to someone your not.. that MIGHT be a sign of trouble.. but to mearly fantasize about someone other than the person/people you are with... imho. there's nothing wrong with that.. it's a part of healthy sexuality. But, I should also say, I am not married, I've been "living in sin" with the same person for 6 years and we don't nec. have what you'd call a "traditional" relationship.  ____________________________ 
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Darkstar
04-16-2002 at 09:00 PM |
Re: Re: Astral Cheatingquote: I'd be skeptical too, if I hadn't had some experience. A few years ago I was doing some research for a paper and had been doing a lot of reading on OBEs (out of body experiences) in relation to Alien Abduction. Anyway, I guess I tapped into something because I began to have OBEs every time I would take an afternoon nap. It wouldn't happen when I went to sleep at night or when I was in a room with someone else, but I'd get to that state between waking and sleeping and I would just GO! This happened for about a year and I began to get quite good at reaching that state on purpose. I would take a nap and then shoot back into my body an hour later (my bird screaming HELLO! HELLO!.. I think she realized that I was not in body, but "around".). But, before I understood what was happening, and was better able to control it, I took a nap and it happened. I remember walking to the front door and unlocking it (it's always locked when I'm alone) and stepping out on the porch. I looked out and the sky was beautiful and stormy.. a hazy grey and lavendar, swirling around. I thought it was odd that there was a storm because (in my waking reality) I'd just been outside and it was sunny. So, I closed the door. The next thing I remember is there was a Being in the house (did I let it in?) and the mood turned heavily sexual. What happened next was in a word, Wild. When it was over, I awoke, shooting back into my body, slowly becoming aware that the bird was screaming in my ear. As, I've often experienced before, I felt lethargic. I literally could not move. After other OBE's this tends to last for about 15-20 minutes. This time it lasted for over 4 hours. I couldn't stand up, I couldn't sit up. I didn't exactly feel violated, because I had invited it.. but I also, obviously, wasn't prepared for it. When Ryan came home, the front door was unlocked, yet I had double checked that it was locked before I laid down and had not been physically able to get up after. I told him what had happened and he was concerned, but not angered. He was worried about my state of being, and fed me glasses of water and a bit of food until I began to come out of it and be able to move again. So, yes, in my experience, you can have sexual relations on the astral plane. I've never specifically sought it out again, and after a few months I began to OBE at night too, meeting with friends (who substantiated our meetings.. this is why I cautioned earlier about Astral Affairs with People Alive on this Plane of Exisitance.. it CAN happen!) and "traveling" far and wide.. But, because the experiences were so draining, I wasn't "sleeping" anymore. So, I had to sort of train myself out of it.. and I rarely "travel" at all anymore. If anyone is interested in a Book that touches on this subject, among many others, I'd suggest checking out "The Art of Sexual Ecstasy : The Path of Sacred Sexuality for Western Lovers" by Margot Anand. It covers a variety of topics and has exercises for Couples as well as Singles.  ____________________________
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Avalonia
04-20-2002 at 09:29 AM |
 Re: Astral CheatingI would wonder if they were sane. :-)  |
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WolfStar
04-20-2002 at 02:48 PM |
 Re: Astral CheatingDarkstar - what a scary episode! I've felt my spirit/soul being outside my body, knowing that 'I' was was hovering above my 'shell'. But I can't see anything, it is all black. Maybe I'm just too chicken to open my eyes... |
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Darkstar
04-20-2002 at 06:27 PM |
Re: Astral Cheating It scared me right after the fact, but as I said, I didn't feel violated.. and after that I got very good at controlling my OBE time. |
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RavenNightrose
12-13-2004 at 10:38 PM |
Re: Astral Cheating I would have to say, since there's no way to prove you were cheating and 2nd of all...I just don't think it's cheating at all.  When the dark wood fell before me And all the paths were overgrown When the priests of pride say there is no other way I tilled the sorrows of stone I did not believe because I could not see Though you came to me in the night When the dawn seemed forever lost You showed me your love in the light of the stars |
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Triangle
12-13-2004 at 11:34 PM |
Re: Astral Cheating What comes from our intentions are all the same; just in varying quantities. Meditative sex with an imaginative being is no different than creating a robot whether male or female and having sex with it. But it's not real, I only created it? Intent is intent; energy is energy - our deeds are our intentions (what comes out of us), not only what we can be seen as physically (we have thoughts words actions) |
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Wolf Bone
12-14-2004 at 09:46 PM |
Re: Astral Cheating I'd prefer if my partner informed me beforehand, or just ASAP, but otherwise, I could care less. We're polygamists, so obviously, we're open to down to earth physical relations.. why not astral?  "I saw you throwing that dead man over the wall. You have to wash your hands before you come to the table and eat." -- Rachel, from the book Naked Empire |
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lisa.t
12-14-2004 at 10:35 PM |
Re: Astral Cheating I wouldn't consider it cheating as such... more like "exploring" different planes of sexual contact.It's all good |
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RavenNightrose
12-15-2004 at 01:41 AM |
Re: Astral Cheating Well I stand fast to my statement, I don't see it as cheating...period. ehehe and as well I believe in multiple relations as well. When the dark wood fell before me And all the paths were overgrown When the priests of pride say there is no other way I tilled the sorrows of stone I did not believe because I could not see Though you came to me in the night When the dawn seemed forever lost You showed me your love in the light of the stars |
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